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How did Israel became seen as a western country?
>>16616638Diaspora hate is such a disgusting phenomenon.
>>16615435>>16616709>>16616969Nice try. Ywnbw
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>>16614969They were already western. Jews are just Whites larping as Semites.
>>16614969The initial settlers were mostly highly educated german or romance speaking jews from Europe with a lot of connections with the west through the jews remaining there.Today israel is being taken over by much more radical and anti arab Jews from the arab world who, ironically, the arabs kicked out themselves
Why does Iran care about women wearing hijab so much when it allows open pagan worship in the country? Iran is full of shrines of graves in which Shias pray to them and they call on Ali instead of God. In Islam the greatest crime is shirk and polytheism not women without hijab. Why is hijab a priority but eradicating grave worship is not?
>>16617299I don't care what you retards think. I'd rather you think we are dumb Arabs so you leave us alone. Neither your praise nor condemnation mean anything to me. In fact, being seen as repulsive by you scum is better, so that way you leave us alone.
>>16617299Same thing with TurkeyWhen they hear the word Ottoman they think of unstoppable horseback armies conquering Constantinople and the balkansWhen they hear Turkey they think of kebab and brown muslims that wear red hats
Also kourosh made a mistake freeing Jews from Babylonian captivity
>>16617241>the most hated country in the world atm.That would be Israel
>>16616838>Why are the pagans doing the paganism?Wondering
"Science" (academia) has actually lost a lot of ground in terms of credibility thanks to some of its more preposterous claims:* Sex isn't real, you can become a woman by identifying as one* Darwinian evolution for everything except humans; race isn't real, tabula rasa for us* Climate change alarmism that basically amounts to secular eschatologyFrom a purely objective standpoint, "science" (academia) is less credible than Christianity, since there's a greater than zero likelihood that God exists more-or-less as described in the Bible and that Christ is the Messiah, whereas the likelihood that identifying as a woman makes you one is precisely zero.So how can "science" (academia) recover from this? Is it possible for it to elevate itself to the level of peer with Christianity, which tends to have a superior understanding of the world?
>>16617128In case you haven't noticed, people are getting "cancelled" for saying the truth about this issue. I don't think anybody would normally care about a mental patient's delusions if they weren't being forced to talk nicely about them.
>>16617128Muh culture war.
>>16617144Worse, we're being expected to explicitly acknowledge the mental patient's delusions as unassailable truth by pain of punitive poverty
>>16617128OP is a mindbroken /pol/nigger, he sees spooky trannies behind every corner, and probably has to check under his bed for any trannies hiding there.
>>16614674>>>/wsg/5546649
Threadly reminder that Confederates accused the Union of being "Satanic" for challenging slavery, which was believed to be written into God's laws.>Ephesians 6:1 states, "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ". The verse continues, "Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart".https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285572570_The_First_Secessionist_Was_Satan_Secession_and_the_Religious_Politics_of_Evil_in_Civil_War_AmericaHow do modern Christians (especially those who are the descendants of slaves) reconcile this? The Bible goes out of its way to justify slavery.>inb4 "they weren't actually describing slaves slaves"1st century Judea was occupied by Rome, one of the most prolific slave trading Empires in human history. Judea itself was a slave trade hub. They were talking about legitimate slaves.
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>>16617108The Christians in the Union also justified their abolitionism with that same Bible.
>>16617381With what verse?
>>16617112What kind of crack have you been smoking? Deism died out in the US after the second Great Awakening, and gnostic cults were ancient history by the 19th century.
>>16617345Yet a child being born unto slavery is perfectly acceptable. Goes to show how twisted the value systems of our ancestors truly were.
Redpill me on Atlantis
>>16615649How can we prove it goes back to the sixteenth century?>>16615262>Lol no he wasn't. In a fictional dialogueEvery single dialogue was real. He presents it as a matter of fact. He would not bother having explained where the story came from if it was fictional or some kind of thought experiment. It is not in any way presented as a tall tale, as you say. He repeatedly goes through effort to demonstrate that it was historical, at least according to the Egyptians. >>16615719>Just like he poses that the cave where people are chained up and can only see shadows is a real placeYou may actually be stupid. I mean that. 70 IQ tops. He says in the allegory "imagine a cave". Right out the gate he is saying it is imaginary. He literally, himself, calls it imaginary. Now contrast this with his recounting of where the Atlantis story is related and how.>>16616872Not necessarily.
>>16617170No, you didn't understand, it is the additional weight of the water from the melted ice which further depresses the plates, especially where they are thin near the rift boundary.
>>16614013I find the sahara Atlantis the most believable theory.Green sahara must have had tons of people living there and nobody's looking under the sand.
>>16617386this hole in the ground on the african continent is interesting but it is not an island continent in the atlantic so it can not be atlantisit is a red herring
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Average Berber family after Arab conquest
when a frenchman says something so white you gotta hit them with the kabyle stare
>>16617378lol, some of them genuinely look mulatto
>>16617376>>16615064uncanny resemblance
>>16617326>you sound angry, you are backtracking and moving the goal postTake your pills, schizo. Sometimes I post swarthy Berber angels who look way more attractive than those rare blond Berber women.>i'm proving that you berbers look like some sort of eastern iranians but more africanized and i just wonNorth Africans look like Eastern Iranians the same way West Asians, and even dark South Europeans (e.g. Jason Mantzoukas) can be mistaken for Eastern Iranians, at some point wogs start to overlap. Also, some Eastern Iranian individuals can be light as fuck, and average Yaghnobi would look less exotic than the average Berber from a European point of view. I have no horse in this race.>>16617329>Saudis don't have SSA admixture in the picrel, their big nose is an ancient relict of their Cacasoid West Eurasian heritage not nigger admixtures.That's not my point, huge hooked beaks are a Caucasoid trait. My point is that posting random, very dark Arabians and claiming they're 100% West + Basal Eurasian isn't necessarily accurate because Arabia is filled with Afro-Araps from ancient Araps getting their lineages BLACKED with Jareer women, and in typical Arap fashion, the mixed offspring call themselves Araps too when they look like 75% Akon 25% treal Arap.
>>16617425>when they look like 75% Akon 25% real Arap.*even when they look like they're 75% Akon 25% real Arap.
Which is the superior Christ?
They're the same Jesus
>>16614385>implying there's even one jesusPerhaps we should settle Jesus vs Jesus first. Before pitting him against Paul.
>>16614427Dietary laws is one of the most important laws of God yet Jesus of the gospels taught against it. He told Israelites that all food is clean to eat.
>>16614427Lmao you’re so dumb
>>16614385Superior at what?
Why don't we talk about theology anymore, /his/?
>>16616779And when will you answer my other questions
>>16616779The point of Hebrew’s citation is that Paul counted work as faithJohn 2:2525 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?Considered righteous for what she didHebrews 1131 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.Here Paul refers to it as faithSo what is considered works was considered faith by PaulSo Abraham’s faith saving him could also mean faithAnd please answer my questions about other passages regarding faith and works
>>16617010I made a typing mistake in my response>>16616779I made a typing mistake in my responseThe point of Hebrew’s citation is that Paul counted work as faithJohn 2:2525 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?Considered righteous for what she didHebrews 1131 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.Here Paul refers to it as faithSo what is considered works was considered faith by PaulSo Abraham’s faith saving him could also mean worksComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>16617010Don’t check this oneCheck the otherI made a typing mistKe
Righteousness in the eyes of man versus righteousness in the eyes of GodChrist is king, repent and believe the gospel, that is to say that he died for your sins.No it is not good news if you have the risk of messing it up by failing some sort of sacrament skill check, some sort of sin of the flesh, that stuff will make your life an existential horror (no longer good news)He is risen, the gift is a true gift, no strings attached, don't let the world present a false gospel that will lead you astray. Amen.
What language does God speak?Does he speak Hebrew?Does this mean I'll need to learn Hebrew first if I ever want to speak with him in heaven?
>>16615616Reminder that God created different languages just as a fuck you to humans to make sure they never worked together.
>>16617382Which is why we should learn Esperanto and then retake heaven by storm.
>>16617388If the bible was real this would be the number one goal of humanity, to take heaven and prevent god from killing everyone on the planet a second time. God would be the biggest threat to the world.
>>16615616>confirmed gay couplelying shit bag faggots don't even try to be accurate when pushing their agendait says nothing even remotely like that
>>16617023Muh leftists
>Now listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I'll sock you in your goddamn face
>>16616710Now, listen, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I'll use violence to shut you up! Look out! I'm crazy! Then the next thing I'm going to do is invade Poland!
>>16616723I can only speak for myself, but I'm a commie.
>>16616723iirc it was a tactic of the socialists to low effort undermine anyone that existed in opposition to their power base, even though Nazis are literally just another branch of socialism
>>16616723In my experience people who dickride the Soviet Union are pretty open about being commies.
>>16616710>Stand Athwart history yelling stopWas he just a pressure release valve? He literally never advocated conservatives do anything themselves just vote their way into power.
Christianity is not based on historical truth; rather, it offers us a historical narrative and says: now believe! But not, believe this narrative with the belief appropriate to a historical narrative, rather: believe, through thick and thin! You should not take the same attitude to it as you take to other historical narratives. There is nothing paradoxical about that. The historical accounts in the Gospel, might historically speaking, be demonstrably false yet belief would lose nothing by this. Because religion is a self-contained and primarily expressive enterprise, governed by its own internal logic or "grammar" and is a whole worldview. Religion is logically cut off from other aspects of life; since religious concepts and discourse are essentially self-referential; and religion can't be criticized from an external (i.e., non-religious) point of view. Because divine intervention can always play a role in the historical data. Trying to prove god with logical or historical data will always be in vain as it relies upon some form of presuppositions. Since you can make any set of data fit your worldview. Which is fine and even necessary.
I've always found it weird that this event is never mentioned all too often, like from what I understand>Muhammad and his followers in 622, facing hostility, flee from Mecca to surrounding areas, specifically the city of Medina .>After establishing themselves, they begin a protracted counter-war, chipping away at the Qurashi trading routes, and finally conquering the city. At 630,>Muhammad dies in 632, the early Muslim expansion begins at 634at what point does the rest of the Arabian peninsula get conquered/absorbed into the caliphate and why was it so easy to bring them into the fold then the Quraysh?
no one really knows, there really wasn't much to conquer except for the few oasis cities. Maps like this are about as detailed you can get for politics there. Did caliphs in Damascus and Baghdad really hold the entire Arabian peninsula? Iirc the rationale for maps showing they do is to stop doing that around the time a bunch of madmen sacked and looted Mecca but it hadn't been the case for a long time probably. The important thing is Muhammad and his successors got a bunch of tribes together under his banner and they mostly moved off the peninsula forever to become a ruler elite.
>>16617072Nevermind Arabia, according to this map Cyprus and the entirety of Byzantine Balkans are in rebellion
>>16617115If not the peninsula, they did gain control of Yemen before the conquests.
>>16617115>>16617358There's a theory that Islam started out as a non-trinitarian sect of Christianity and that most early Muslim forces and converts would have been crypto-nontrinitarianists (for lack of a better term)
>>16617379Idiotic
>existed for centuries >Left nothing in terms of science, culture or artsWhy?
>>16615717The Hindu-Islamic Numerals .0123456789...(see boards plagiarisms of them)
>>166170454chan is a hindu-muslim numeral site.
>>16617039>Because of systemic rapeDNA studies confirmed non-existent to negligible East Asian and Ana. Turkish DNA, the exception being Greek Thrace and the leftover Turkish minority in FYROM and Bulgaria.>UnderdevelopmentThe Balkans were more developed than Western Europe between the 1100s and the mid-1500s, their modern poverty stems from Western-backed privatization and neo-colonization.>Though this is geography itselfSerbia alone had a monopoly on silver trade in most of Medieval Europe for well over a hundred years, and this part of Europe was more connected with the known world than Western and Northern Europe was.>socialism, communismWhich is natural for all non-Kike dominated civilizations striving toward sovereignty.>LoanwordsForm a minority of their vocabulary, whereas non-Germanic words form the majority of the English language.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>16615717its making arabs seethe even to this day
>>16615717There wasn't ever ottoman culture, there was only islamic culture
Has there ever been a recorded encounter between a World War II veteran and this peculiar brand of /pol/-user ?Not trying to be edgy or bait, I’m genuinely curious.
>>16610914Chuds try to hide their power level. They're embarrassed by their own beliefs.
>>16616803>Carlos "The Monkeyzillian Cuckold" Latuff
>>16612827>SS generalAh yes, a very objective and non-biased source
>>16611067>Germany elects a man whose public platform is to make the country worse for Jews >some jews stop buying things Groundbreaking
>>16611158>we’re going to invade Eastern Europe and Germanise you>nononono you’re TOTALLY our equal, we don’t think that your culture is barbaric or anything>why would we want to Germanise you then?>uhhhh uhmmmYes, GPO was real. The documents for the iteration that called for killing all eastern euros went missing, yes, but there were a few iterations of the plan that all have proof for their existence, and all of them included a plan to Germanise and dominate Eastern Europeans. I, as a balt, would rather take this universe, because while my people did suffer under the hands of the soviets after the war (and a little before), at least they weren’t planning on erasing our culture completely and turning us into either Germans or slaves for Germans. I would’ve preferred it if the western allies got to the Baltics first though, communism isn’t great.Right wing rhetoric went from “woah look at those Eastern Europeans, they’re so backwards, that’s subhuman” to “woah look at those eastern euros, they’re so backwards, that’s BASED and TRAD”. At the very heart of it is the belief that we’re barbarians, which is why I don’t trust a single thing a Fascist says, because they’re not actuall pan-Europeans, but Western European chauvinists. They still believe that people like me are backwards, they just think that’s good now because we don’t like faggots or whatever. But the second we express our thoughts we’re just subhuman little asiatics again. It’s very similar to how the Jews treat non-Jews.
